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by **sabrehill44** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:56 pm

Been charged £25 for two days worth of charges.
I can't be paying that sort of money.
Does anyone know how I can set BA so that I don't incur charges?
Is it down to throttling etc?
Please don't refer me to the betfair charges site. I just need to know if BA can cut off when charges are about to be incurred

TIA

by **sabrehill44** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:16 pm

Also, does anyone know why the charges don't show on my account on betfair?
I emailed them about 'missing money' and they said I'd incurred charges from 2 days ago and yesterday, yet nothing shows on the statement?

by **MarkRussell** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:26 pm

Hi,

With regards to Betting Assistant you need to ensure that the throttle limit in Prefernces is enabled and set no higher than 20 (the default setting is 10)

You are allowed to make a maximum of 20 data requests per second but please note that if you were running multiple api applications at the same time including multiple instances of Betting Assistant then you would need to make sure that the combined requests do not go over 20.

Regards,
Mark

by **sabrehill44** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:46 pm

Thanks Mark.Tthe email I received said i'd been charged for going over 1,000 requests an hour.

I understand it is .1p per request over 1000 that I pay, so to pay
£20 its a lot of requests.

I only have one BA running alongside the usual betfair interface.

I'll keep an eye on it, cheers

by **GaryRussell** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:09 am

sabrehill44 wrote:Thanks Mark.Tthe email I received said i'd been charged for going over 1,000 requests an hour.

I understand it is .1p per request over 1000 that I pay, so to pay
£20 its a lot of requests.

I only have one BA running alongside the usual betfair interface.

I'll keep an eye on it, cheers

Those charges are not data charges. You get charged .1p per bet placed in excess over 1000 per hour so you must have been placing many bets per hour. Betting Assistant will not prevent you from placing this many bets, it is up to you to control this. It does however display the number of transactions per hour at the top of the screen next to "Trans:" so you should keep an eye on this. Anything that results in a new bet reference is counted as a transaction so if even if you didn't place over 1000 new bets if you changed the odds many times then you can still incur the charge.

by **sabrehill44** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:29 am

Thanks Gary.

One other q. We are charged if we place more than 20 data requests a sec?

Say I 'lay the field' of 21+ runners.Does that mean charges will be incurred?

Thanks

by **mak** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:03 pm

Hi there

There are 2 different type of extra charges

1. If you place more than 1.000 bets in an hour (Probably as Gary suggest your problem.

2. BA in order to refresh prices, odds etc is making "data requests" in Betfair Api. So if you exceed 20 req/sec you have to pay according to their price policy. As Mark mention, you should check your throttle limit in BA (options).

I think you are placing many bets below betfair minimum price
So if a market has 20 runners for example and you are laying the entire field

a. if your bets aren't below the minimum, you are placing 20 bets
b. if your bets are below the minimum you are placing 60 bets

hope that helps
* sorry for my English

by **sabrehill44** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:30 pm

thanks ,yes I'm laying below minimum stake.

I've been messing about experimenting with stakes and bets etc this a.m. and have it clear in my noggin, I think!

Thanks all for your help

by **sabrehill44** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:27 pm

Betfair have taken another £25 for yesterday's charges.

Switched off in disgust

There is no way on god's green earth that this is right.

If we split £25 by the four hours I used betfair yesterday, then that means I'm paying £6 an hour.

At .01 p a request that means on average I am 6,000 requests over the threshold of 1,000 each and every hour?!

That's impossible. I saw the transactions yesterday when they went into the red and no way did they hit 7,000?! No way.

I think the highest I saw was 2,600. Something is wrong.

by **sabrehill44** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:31 pm

I've also emailed bf asking why the charges are not showing in my account.
From 2 days ago. They say they are there but they are not, so they've taken money from my account when they've wanted to w/o records of it.

Absolutely seething here.

by **mak** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:18 pm

There is something wrong with what you are trying to do
Can you tell what you are trying..

Probably you placed 2.500 bets during this 4 hours
that's the extra cost 2.500 x 0.01 = 25

On the other hand, if you had placed so many below the minimum stake bets, I thought Betfair would have suspended your account

by **sabrehill44** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:37 pm

trying different strategies using small amounts.

the cost is 0.1 of a penny over 1000 requests.

so to incur £6 an hour or 600p an hour that is 6000 requests over the limit of 1,000 requests.

that means I had to be hitting on average 7,000 requests per hour and that didn't happen.

the reason i remember seeing 2,600 requests is because it was unusual to see that amount so it stuck in my mind.

there is no way i hit 7,000 trans/requests for 1 hour let alone 4 on the bounce

by **2020vision** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:21 pm

Hi sabrehill44,

You are allowed 20 data requests in any one second*
*Any requests over this limit are charged at 0.1p

It sounds quite possible that you are exceeding the Transaction limit?
This will be charged at 1p (one full penny) each?

If you have kept the overall throttling at any given time to 20 or less then
you should not incur request charges?

If you have exceeded the transaction limit of 1000 per hour then they will
charge any excess at 1p each? Is this of any help or explanation to you?

Some or all of these charges may also be offset against any commission
you have generated?

Regards - Michael :wink:

P.S. See http://www.betfair.com/aboutUs/Betfair.Charges/

by **sabrehill44** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:44 pm

thanks michael.

I've confused data request charges and transaction charges.

At least my mind is at ease that I've not been ripped off!

I suppose the charges are to stop people like me clogging up the system with small bets.

I'm trying strategies out and can't place £2 stakes as that is too much for me. How do people on here try strategies out? Do they play £2 units?

I'll probably getting a warning off betfair for my troubles aswell as the charges now!

Calmed down now, thanks all for your help.

by **sabrehill44** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:52 pm

Just to clarify for lookers in

Data request charges are .1p over 1,000

Transaction charges are 1p over 1,000

Data charges

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