Oddschecker

[danjuma]

Agghh ! OS as in osknows - gott yer now ! and not OS as in "operating system" - yer got me there !

yes - using same xls

Ok, strange then, because that's what I am currently using (well the one I downloaded when Osknows first provided the link). Have you changed some code in the sheet? I would suggest downloading it again and try the sheet as it is to see if its working?

[Fixador]

Downloaded to an XPpro pc : installed references - and works a treat !

copied xls to orginal XP home pc - checked references ok - but not a flicker ! damnation ! this sounds so frustratingly familar !

[doris_day]

dan,

Why do you want to get the odds from either Oddschecker or Bestbetting ? I've never really understood their use as invariably their odds are out of date.

There used to be apps you could buy that worked out arbs (and in fact there is still one trying to charge £69 a month for its use) but in 99% of cases the arbs weren't real because the odds were out of date.

Surely its better simply to scrape a couple of sites like Lads or WH and get uptodate prices ? Most of the sites that offer high prices won't let you get much on longterm anyway and I've always found the big three better indicators of where the money is going.

[danjuma]

dan,

Why do you want to get the odds from either Oddschecker or Bestbetting ? I've never really understood their use as invariably their odds are out of date.

There used to be apps you could buy that worked out arbs (and in fact there is still one trying to charge £69 a month for its use) but in 99% of cases the arbs weren't real because the odds were out of date.

Surely its better simply to scrape a couple of sites like Lads or WH and get uptodate prices ? Most of the sites that offer high prices won't let you get much on longterm anyway and I've always found the big three better indicators of where the money is going.

Hi DD,

There's a method I am trialling (a borrowed idea from the Golden Key Method, don't know if you have heard about it). So its not arb I am doing as such, just monitoring the bookies odds compared to betfair odds, and taking advantage of the BOG by the bookies. Cheers

[doris_day]

If you can make it work that's all that counts. Good work.....

[doris_day]

I should add that you need to bear in mind each of the bigger bookies have relationships with different stables, so there will always be built in biases. Which in themselves are meanful

[danjuma]

Thanks for the tips DD.

[doris_day]

Did you buy that 'Golden Key' system ?

Seems to me that any system you can buy wont work longterm, otherwise why would they sell it ? I certainly wouldn't sell my algos (well I would of course for the right money but not £80 !).

I do appreciate however that some systems can give you ideas which can take you down a profitable route.

[Fixador]

Mystery solved !

When supposed to set reference to Winhttp5.1 - dont set it to Winhttp5.0 because you cant see winhttp5.1 .......durrr !

Will be interesting to see how it copes with an OC server busy sat pm ..... and will the mouse icon "hour-glass" symbol appear for a dreadfully long time and stop all BA and every instance of Excel from running ?.....

Thanks for your help Dan

[danjuma]

Did you buy that 'Golden Key' system ?

Seems to me that any system you can buy wont work longterm, otherwise why would they sell it ? I certainly wouldn't sell my algos (well I would of course for the right money but not £80 !).

I do appreciate however that some systems can give you ideas which can take you down a profitable route.

Didn't buy it. There are ways you can get these things Gave up buying systems long ago cos most are crap & not worth it. However, some of them do give you ideas and get you looking at different angles you have not thought of before.

[xraymitch]

dan,

Why do you want to get the odds from either Oddschecker or Bestbetting ? I've never really understood their use as invariably their odds are out of date.

There used to be apps you could buy that worked out arbs (and in fact there is still one trying to charge £69 a month for its use) but in 99% of cases the arbs weren't real because the odds were out of date.

Surely its better simply to scrape a couple of sites like Lads or WH and get uptodate prices ? Most of the sites that offer high prices won't let you get much on longterm anyway and I've always found the big three better indicators of where the money is going.

Hi DD,

There's a method I am trialling (a borrowed idea from the Golden Key Method, don't know if you have heard about it). So its not arb I am doing as such, just monitoring the bookies odds compared to betfair odds, and taking advantage of the BOG by the bookies. Cheers

Like Doris I to was wondering why you wanted the odds. Sorry to be so thick but what does BOG mean ?

I always read the posts by Osknows so I can learn what is possible from his code examples. I am constantly amazed by the help offered on this forum. Perhaps one day I will be able to contribute and give something back.

Have a good day.

Ray

[Ian]

Best Odds Guaranteed. If you take a price and the the SP is bigger, they pay you the bigger odds.

[joe lively]

I believe the idea with the golden key is that you look for selections in the early markets where you can lay at a similar price to the bookies (offering BOG). When you have layed it on bf and backed it at the bookies you need to hope the price lengthens and the horse wins. If not at least you got a free bet out of it or at worst a very small loss.

There was some lenghty discussion about it on another forum and as i understand it the result was that after bf commission there wasn't much in it.

As danjuma says the basic idea can lead to other strategies though.

[xraymitch]

Thanks Ian and Joe - very helpful.

Ray

[danjuma]

Hi xraymitch,

joe livey has explained it to some extent. Basically you compare the bookies back odds against BF lay odds for a selection, and back the selection wih a BOG bookie if the bookie back odds is greater than the selection's Bf lay odds. You then later lay the selection @ BF SP or just before the off. The idea is that the selection would hopefully have shortened by then, and if not and it drifts and then wins, then hopefully, the BOG bookie would pay out at the higher ISP, so you still be in profit or small loss. The author advises not backing/laying selections higher that 15. Only caveats are sometimes the ISP might not be high enough to cover the lay bet, and the ever present threat of the bookies eventually catching up on you and limiting/closing you account. HTH